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Guillaume VENDÉ

Shared June 30, 2016

Pourquoi Elon Musk pense que nous sommes des simulations virtuelles... Focus sur les possibles futurs...

Thomas Knoll

Shared January 11, 2017

High Castle

Lane Rettig

Shared April 1, 2017

Fun to think about

Nishan Pantha

Shared February 2, 2017

do watch the movie "the 13th floor"

Nukeador

Shared February 28, 2017

#mindblow

Matt Sager

Shared December 26, 2016

Aagh The Matrix!

Aarón García del Real Lozano

Shared February 23, 2017

¿Y si somos los Sims con los que los humanos del futuro están experimentando? 🤔

Barış Ünver

Shared September 27, 2016

Bir simulasyon içinde simulasyonlar üretip duran sim'ler olabilir miyiz? Olabiliriz.

Lalith Gudipati

Shared December 16, 2017

The best thing you will read today.

Burak Eldem

Shared August 1, 2017

"Bir simulasyonda yaşıyor olabilir miyiz?" Soru çok klasik ama yazı fazlasıyla dikkate değer.

Jasen Farmer

Shared December 30, 2016

I love this thought experiment even if it's true #simulation @voxdotcom #ElonMusk

So the simulation argument is: One of these things must be true
That means we’ll end up using technology for pleasure and we don't even care about simulating ancestors, we’ll end up killing ourselves, or we’re living in a simulation.


Musk thinks it's almost certain we're in a simulation. Bostrom believes there is about a 20 percent chance that we're in a simulation, but thinks it is subjective.

But both believe one of these three possibilities will happen.

Abhilash Pattnaik

Shared January 24, 2017

Too good.
Must read.

Fred Muya

Shared February 11, 2017

Interesting thought

Joe Fletcher

Shared July 11, 2016

Game changer!

Will King

Shared February 17, 2017

"Perhaps our overlords are still asking the same thing. Perhaps they’re running these ancestor simulations, hoping one of us finds out first."

Thomas Eriksson

Shared July 12, 2016

Nu förstår jag äntligen hur det hänger ihop. Typ.

Sandeep Chowdary

Shared January 11, 2017

The coolest part of all of this: It helps us ground fascinating conversations

Lindsey Jones

Shared March 27, 2018

that's it I'm going off the grid

Wouter De Smet

Shared December 28, 2016

Are we living in a computer simulation? Food for thought •

Aleksey Razbakov

Shared January 23, 2017

Matrix is back!

Elon Musk thinks it's almost certain that we are living in a computer simulation.

In short, we are characters in an advanced version of The Sims — so advanced that it creates, well, us.

Does anyone of you share the same idea?

Elon Musk thinks it's almost certain that we are living in a computer simulation.

In short, we are characters in an advanced version of The Sims — so advanced that it creates, well, us.

Aleksey Razbakov

Shared January 23, 2017

Matrix is back!

Elon Musk thinks it's almost certain that we are living in a computer simulation.

In short, we are characters in an advanced version of The Sims — so advanced that it creates, well, us.

Does anyone of you share the same idea?

jens

Shared July 4, 2016

Fascinating :)

Alexis Sukrieh

Shared August 4, 2017

Fascinating posthuman philosophy

sushobhan dhar

Shared February 9, 2018

come watch TV..

Patrick T Hoffman

Shared December 24, 2016

everything that makes us human is physical processes.

Samarth Jajoo

Shared July 30, 2017

Oh no we are in a simulation. and even in that we are insignifant. Where are we on the significance number line?

Godiva Golding

Shared January 2, 2018

Good (4/5)
Click bait title
Alternative "Philosophical argument that humans are living in a simulated world: amazing and thought provoking"

Fabio

Shared June 27, 2018

Best headache ever

Varun Srinivasan

Shared March 5, 2018

If we are in a simulation, then there exists some higher-level being — albeit very different from an all-powerful, benevolent one. But that being is us, or a future version of us.

Trey Reasonover

Shared July 1, 2016

Whoa...

Carlos Vega

Shared December 17, 2016

And that brings up the fascinating question of where base-reality humans come from — the ones not in a simulation.

Camilo Luna

Shared February 5, 2017

Mindblowing!

If we can simulate human worlds, then presumably future humans will run simulations of their ancestors — us!

Rafael Freitas

Shared September 8, 2017

Quite possibly true.

Trevor Larry

Shared September 2, 2016

Futuristic speculations

Rox De Leon

Shared January 5, 2017

Elon Musk read so much about the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 😂

Aidan Marcuss

Shared February 27, 2017

Great, simple articulation of the theory we are all in a simulation

tushar dhingra

Shared April 6, 2017

awesome !!

Sourabh Nandwana

Shared September 25, 2017

You need determination more than knowledge and money to do anything. Every lock has its key and will is the map to find it.
#Startup

Andreia Mariana Fernandes

Shared January 28, 2018

Black Mirror S04

Marcos Silva

Shared December 21, 2016

Asimov was right all this time

Karen E Lund

Shared December 23, 2016

This reminds me of the theory, popular a few decades ago, that ancient humans learned astonomy, pyramid building, etc., from aliens. Yes, it's possible, but it does nothing to explain where the aliens (or the programmers of a computer simulation) came from or learned to do what they did. Worse, it erects a historical and intellectual boundary that seems impossible to cross in looking for human origins.

Leandro Ribeiro

Shared March 10, 2017

ah ah ah..

James Stevens

Shared March 22, 2017

"In short, we are characters in an advanced version of The Sims — so advanced that it creates, well, us."

"In short, we are characters in an advanced version of The Sims — so advanced that it creates, well, us."

Alexandros Papadopoulos

Shared June 4, 2017

A great story of the future or maybe the present

Agar gt

Shared August 4, 2016

We are inside a simulation 😎

Kim

Shared December 17, 2016

I love this thought provoking, reality questioning stuff <3

Jasper Jansen

Shared December 19, 2016

The first convincing argument I've encountered in favour of the existence of God.

Daniele Parenti

Shared January 15, 2017

Still can't follow why Musk thinks it's nearly certain we're in a simulation but the argument is definitely entertaining. I'm more on the 'why would they run simulations of ancestors?' side of the argument

Kevin Cocchi

Shared February 6, 2017

:0

Andrew Ellis

Shared April 7, 2017

Best argument for religion and the basis of life i may have ever heard--in hilarious fashion!

Spencer Pool

Shared June 23, 2017

Mind blown

Spencer Pool

Shared June 23, 2017

Mind blown

Marcos Silva

Shared January 10, 2018

Makes you think.

Jennifer Villalobos

Shared February 18, 2018

thank you for sharing...prospecting the future is needed. if you can't imagine the impossible then you are working on the wrong things

Professor XYZ

Shared June 9, 2018

What do you think? Are we living in a simulation?

Yacine ACHIAKH

Shared February 2, 2017

Wanna get mind-fucked?

Elias Little

Shared July 1, 2016

Very interesting. Are you arrogant enough to think we're in a base reality?

Manon Lemoine

Shared July 11, 2016

The argument

Gonçalo Pereira

Shared December 23, 2016

Interesting thoughts for 2017 😶

Kevin Kestler

Shared December 28, 2016

There's a reason Elon Musk and his brother talked about this so much that they had to ban it from the hot tub.

anosh Tariq

Shared January 12, 2017

We've tricked our minds into thinking that pixels are real.

Piyush Bajaj

Shared January 28, 2017

Are we real?? :P

Brandon Dorr

Shared February 13, 2017

Quick summary of simulation theory

A I

Shared March 2, 2017

"...Perhaps they’re running these ancestor simulations, hoping one of us finds out first."

anosh Tariq

Shared March 19, 2017

"I understand the instinct to treat the idea as absurd, and to ignore people who suggest these things. It’s what happens when you challenge the common beliefs about reality, kind of like Aristarchus of Samos, who first thought the Earth wasn't at the center of the universe — almost 2,000 years before Galileo."

Paulista Ponto TK

Shared April 6, 2017

in 10,000 years, computers could simulate the entire world.

Melanie

Shared October 16, 2017

Here's hoping we're not the the Matrix.

Lilian FOEX

Shared January 30, 2018

Lol

Eduardo Augusto

Shared March 13, 2018

Is this the real life?

maekyo io

Shared April 14, 2018

i’ve never even seriously thought of this perspective

Kell Condon

Shared January 25, 2017

This is the part Im not sure about:

But if we are creating billions of simulated, conscious humans inside a computer — and they have the same capabilities as us — then that means our consciousness is no different from that of our simulated humans.

Why are we assuming we are able to simulate everything perfectly, the way our body works, digests, etc>? THat is amazing and complex.

Derek Buchan

Shared November 28, 2017

Elon is a twat but he may be giving us half truths, Like Shill Nye The Lying Guy telling future generations that "The Earth is an enclosed system. We cannot leave".

Hooi San Ng

Shared January 24, 2018

Guys, we are living in a Black Mirror episode.

Andreas Jagusch

Shared June 29, 2016

this is totally fun to think of

Josh von Schaumburg

Shared July 1, 2016

Are we in a simulation!?

Cameron Kleiman

Shared July 1, 2016

hey! I love these Vox cartoons! and Elon musk!

Jan B

Shared July 14, 2016

Hm

Fabian Schwendenwein

Shared December 24, 2016

Such an interesting peace dismantling Musk's thesis that we are living in a modern-day computer simulation.
Admittedly, it really seems surreal at first, however it turns out you can actually make sense out of it as you proceed reading... Give it a read!

If we are in a simulation, then there exists some higher-level being — albeit very different from an all-powerful, benevolent one. But that being is us, or a future version of us.

Gene Q

Shared December 25, 2016

Are we living in a video game? #mindblowing

Thorsten Koester

Shared January 3, 2017

If we are in a simulation, then there exists some higher-level being — albeit very different from an all-powerful, benevolent one. But that being is us, or a future version of us.

Erick del Rey

Shared January 17, 2017

Simulation-ception

Osman Baskaya

Shared February 19, 2017

Nice explanation of http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html, although I didn't like the article uses Elon Musk to create more attraction.

Ibrahim Kai

Shared April 12, 2017

Makes you wonder...

Wynne Maggi

Shared May 2, 2017

In

Gatis Narvaiss

Shared May 18, 2017

Perhaps our overlords are still asking the same thing. Perhaps they’re running these ancestor simulations, hoping one of us finds out first.

Michael Williams

Shared August 18, 2017

Provocative take. It's like AI and The Matrix in a mashup.

Kim de Bie

Shared September 2, 2017

leuk stukje, Thijs!

Cedric Jehan

Shared October 29, 2017

Nous vivons dans une simulation, comme les Sims. Pour comprendre il faut lire ça 👇.

bandreddy bhanu

Shared December 13, 2017

this simulation is stimulating

Stephen Norris

Shared February 25, 2018

Ever thought you are in the matrix or a character in Minecraft? Well your not alone as apparently so does Elon Musk!

Roderick Besseling

Shared May 16, 2018

Who am I? Am I self? Elon Musk sure has an idea.

Louis Ziegler

Shared June 7, 2018

faszinierend 🙈🙊


This cartoon explains why Elon Musk thinks we’re characters in a computer simulation. He might be right.
By Alvin Chang on June 23, 2016 9:20 am

Elon Musk thinks it's almost certain that we are living in a computer simulation.

In short, we are characters in an advanced version of The Sims — so advanced that it creates, well, us.


I understand the instinct to treat the idea as absurd, and to ignore people who suggest these things. It’s what happens when you challenge the common beliefs about reality, kind of like Aristarchus of Samos, who first thought the Earth wasn't at the center of the universe — almost 2,000 years before Galileo.


But these ideas push us to think more rigorously about what we accept as reality. We are reminded, time and again, that what we see and what we know are quite limited. And we have to devise increasingly clever experiments to see more of the unseen.


This cartoon is about laying down the logic of the simulation argument.

Understand it first, and then dismiss it — or, better yet, don't. It doesn't argue that we are necessarily in a simulation. It just says it's one of three possibilities for the future of humanity.

Oxford University philosopher Nick Bostrom wrote the definitive paper on this, so we're essentially walking through his piece.

Let's go back 40 years!
In the early 1970s, the most advanced game was Pong — two rectangles and a circle, bouncing around.


Fast-forward to 2000, and we have The Sims — animated characters that interact with each other, with objects, and with their own feelings.


Now we have 3D headsets, like the HTC Vive and the Oculus Rift. You are the character, and your body can interact with the simulated world. We've tricked our minds into thinking that pixels are real.


With modern computing, we're also able to forecast weather and simulate how chemicals in our body work, among many other complex things. We’ve come a long way in a short time.


So let's fast-forward 10,000 years!

We went from Pong to headsets that transport our minds into fantasy worlds — in just 40 years. So even if our speed of technological advancement slows down, in 10,000 years we should be able to run simulations of ourselves. (That is, if we're alive, of course. But more on that later.)

It's not just that the graphics will be better or the mechanics will be better. No, it's that we'll be able to simulate the individual synapses in the human brain, much like The Sims kept track of how hungry your character was.


We can simulate these things because, according to scientific evidence, everything that makes us human is physical processes. Presumably we will understand all of it in 10,000 years and then recreate these processes in a computer simulation, much like how we can recreate the way a ball bounces.

So in 10,000 years, computers could simulate the entire world.


(This dome is only a representation of these simulations, which would occur computationally — not inside domes. But it’s a great visual, right?)

And how do we get the computing power for this? Bostrom says we can send tiny robots to other planets, which will self-duplicate and turn the planet into a huge computer.


So if we can build world simulators, we’ll probably simulate our past selves
If we can simulate human worlds, then presumably future humans will run simulations of their ancestors — us!

And because simulating the entire mental history of humans would cost a tiny fraction of future humans' resources, they'll run it again and again — maybe millions or billions of times:


But what if the people in the simulations create their own simulation?

If we've run billions of ancestor simulations, surely a lot of them would reach the stage when they can create their own simulations.


But if we are creating billions of simulated, conscious humans inside a computer — and they have the same capabilities as us — then that means our consciousness is no different from that of our simulated humans.

That means we could be characters in a simulation

In fact, if there are zillions of conscious humans, and far fewer humans living in "base" reality, it's almost likely we are in a simulation right now, as you read this story.


But another possibility: We kill each other before then
The other possibility is that humans go extinct before we reach that stage.

Maybe it's global warming. Maybe it's killer pandas. But Bostrom says the most "natural" interpretation is that we develop a technology that is misused — like self-replicating nanobots that are essentially a mechanical bacteria, which end up killing all life on the planet.

And another possibility: Future humans just don't want to run ancestor simulations
This could be because they find it unethical, since they would have to make conscious simulated humans go through the suffering of, well, life — especially life before their innovations.

Or it’s possible that future humans don't have any desire to run ancestor simulations, because they're more concerned with advancing for pleasure.

So the simulation argument is: One of these things must be true
That means we’ll end up using technology for pleasure and we don't even care about simulating ancestors, we’ll end up killing ourselves, or we’re living in a simulation.

Musk thinks it's almost certain we're in a simulation. Bostrom believes there is about a 20 percent chance that we're in a simulation, but thinks it is subjective.

But both believe one of these three possibilities will happen.

The coolest part of all of this: It helps us ground fascinating conversations, even about the metaphysical
There's a reason Elon Musk and his brother talked about this so much that they had to ban it from the hot tub.

Bostrom, in the introduction to his paper, wrote something beautiful about this argument:

Apart from the interest this thesis may hold for those who are engaged in futuristic speculation, there are also more purely theoretical rewards. The argument provides a stimulus for formulating some methodological and metaphysical questions, and it suggests naturalistic analogies to certain traditional religious conceptions, which some may find amusing or thought-provoking.
If we are in a simulation, then there exists some higher-level being — albeit very different from an all-powerful, benevolent one. But that being is us, or a future version of us.

And that brings up the fascinating question of where base-reality humans come from — the ones not in a simulation.

Perhaps our overlords are still asking the same thing. Perhaps they’re running these ancestor simulations, hoping one of us finds out first.

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Dorian Boudreaux

Shared July 13, 2018

We are an Episode of Black Mirror

Elena Virata

Shared August 6, 2018

are we living in a simulation?

Colin Pieters

Shared January 20, 2017

We are reminded, time and again, that what we see and what we know are quite limited.

Brandon

Shared September 8, 2016

"We are reminded, time and again, that what we see and what we know are quite limited"

Neelansh Mathur

Shared December 18, 2016

Dammit. "My whole life was a lie..." :P

Samantha Matamoros

Shared December 23, 2016

Hi🙌

xen portuguez

Shared December 24, 2016

Una de tantas posibilidades en las cuales podemos existir y aún mejor nos brinda la oportunidad de sobrepasar lo que pensamos o creemos que somos

Lola Loudbear

Shared December 29, 2016

Very nice! ;)

Rodrigo Henriquez

Shared January 1, 2017

Interesting...

Lenin Goud

Shared January 3, 2017

Basically a game where the best players are picked. It's much like #WestWorld

Luca Fauciglietti

Shared January 14, 2017

Everything is fake basically.

Brigt Erland Nersveen

Shared January 15, 2017

Don't read this before bedtime.. it will screw up your brain.

Aulia Jasmine

Shared January 22, 2017

"Elon Musk thinks it's almost certain that we are living in a computer simulation. In short, we are characters in an advanced version of The Sims — so advanced that it creates, well, us."

Kimberly Lundin

Shared January 24, 2017

Fascinating.

Camille Marie

Shared January 27, 2017

We went from Pong to headsets that transport our minds into fantasy worlds — in just 40 years. So even if our speed of technological advancement slows down, in 10,000 years we should be able to run simulations of ourselves. (That is, if we're alive, of course. But more on that later.)

Camille Marie

Shared January 27, 2017

Apart from the interest this thesis may hold for those who are engaged in futuristic speculation, there are also more purely theoretical rewards. The argument provides a stimulus for formulating some methodological and metaphysical questions, and it suggests naturalistic analogies to certain traditional religious conceptions, which some may find amusing or thought-provoking.

Lee Gaul

Shared February 11, 2017

Read this so we can talk about it.

James Hedman

Shared February 15, 2017

Neat!

Jestin VanScoyoc

Shared February 23, 2017

...dude...

Roberto R

Shared February 26, 2017

everything that makes us human is physical processes. Presumably we will understand all of it in 10,000 years and then recreate these processes in a computer simulation, much like how we can recreate the way a ball bounces.

Carlos Aviles

Shared February 27, 2017

Rather interesting view of the world and possible future. #future #technology

Ed Grieser

Shared March 1, 2017

#slack

Sean Garvey

Shared March 11, 2017

Not saying I agree but am saying worth reading. and I don't cosign alot of stuff, ESPECIALLY regarding writing.

Parveen Siwach

Shared March 15, 2017

Pocket!!

The Bro

Shared March 16, 2017

Interesting article

Lucas Bchini

Shared April 14, 2017

.

Elizabeth Myburgh

Shared April 16, 2017

Interesting!

Brian Duby

Shared April 22, 2017

Cool article briefly touching base on possibility of us living in a simulation, a base-humanity, launching self cloning computers to other planets or moons as giant servers to create simulated worlds.

Anthony Xu

Shared May 1, 2017

Life has progressed for many years, and we can only imagine what can happen. If it comes to worse we will know whether we live in a simulation or not. 🤔

Aiden zhou

Shared May 18, 2017

这和异次元杀阵的设定差不多了🤔

stanw1201

Shared May 30, 2017

Trippy

行 纪

Shared June 1, 2017

Interesting:)

Christopher Hunter

Shared June 6, 2017

Good read. I am firmly in the #2 "we exterminate ourselves camp."

No on will ever see it coming either. We will try something, it will work sort of, and when we turn around, "poof" we are gone.

Miguel Ángel Rodríguez Dalí

Shared June 7, 2017

Es bastante rayante, pero mola bastante y me parece muy curioso todo eso la verdad, da que pensar.

Juliane Fiebig

Shared July 3, 2017

cool

Juliane Fiebig

Shared July 3, 2017

Cool

Christopher Weisheit

Shared August 1, 2017

Interessant

Tommy-Lee ROUEDOU

Shared August 14, 2017

Super article! Il fait réfléchir en exposant des points de vue possible mais complexes à décrire.

Sara Morini

Shared August 23, 2017

Wtf

Mike Dunn

Shared August 31, 2017

Written in plain English with pretty pictures :-)

Khalif Foster

Shared September 3, 2017

That proof up to highest abilities of human will lead logically human create human as mention in article. But there is two logical choice: human create human or God create us. There are two infinities: Human in term of constant unaware section of begining to end or constant aware of begining and end that is God. In article it is mention unethical that is if humans cause human to act with suffer same as source of human that cause next-sorce or process of human. So, God will not cause unethical to us since He knows all and which is truly infinitify? It can't be human since human are in middle, not source of all, human do learn so that is not infinify as all know. To learn is a process, not the source. God is the Source. So, logically we are in simulation, not of human making because the process can't be the source, 2 can't be before 1. we are 2;.God is 1. So God create us.

BottledLemonadeNews

Shared September 9, 2017

Whoa....WHAT?!??

Nurizzati Rohim

Shared September 19, 2017

MIND-BLOWN.

Piyush 125

Shared October 21, 2017

Caution: This stuff is mind-boggling. After reading this you yourself might start believing elon musks' words (or atleast stop thinking of him as a wierdo)

Mike

Shared November 12, 2017

Not certain why anyone is concerned with what Musk does or doesn't believe. The main point of this article was theorized not by Musk but by others. Musk is just accepting the theory, and it is the best we have at this moment which is the best theory of the nature of the nature of the Universe, and how it probably derives from the Quantum realm.

Anandhu MR

Shared November 17, 2017

qasaaaa

Anandhu MR

Shared November 17, 2017

w

Anandhu MR

Shared November 17, 2017

x3quiteand

Cristiano Costa

Shared November 27, 2017

Sim? Não? Faz alguma diferença na vida prática no presente? Fará alguma diferença na vida prática do futuro?

hamid jafari

Shared December 5, 2017

sooooo right

according to scientific evidence, everything that makes us human is physical processes

Sam Verma

Shared December 14, 2017

amazing read😊😊

John battles

Shared January 1, 2018

Very interesting take on the situation.

Prabin Parajuli

Shared January 10, 2018

Made me think twice !! 🤔🤔

Prabin Parajuli

Shared January 21, 2018

It is possible. I believe our knowledge is very limited and it is naive to think we are the smartest living in this entire Universe.

T Dow

Shared February 16, 2018

Elon

Weley

Shared February 24, 2018

.

So if we can build world simulators, we’ll probably simulate our past selves

Ivan Perez

Shared March 3, 2018

Elon thinks

Libby Saunders

Shared March 22, 2018

Great persuasive story without making it BORING

Abigail Albino

Shared March 31, 2018

He might be right...

Charles Ai

Shared May 9, 2018

Mmmm...

prechtig of the void

Shared May 23, 2018

Well this is interesting.

Victor Capetillo

Shared May 25, 2018

Cool

Sophia Guerrero

Shared June 19, 2018

Very interesting concept 👏🏼

Warface Games

Shared July 2, 2018

Simulation theory

Ograo Barracuda

Shared July 28, 2018

:o

Ace

Shared August 2, 2018

this is fucking crazy, made me feel sorry for wasting my potential😅😅

Abhimanyu Sharma

Shared January 23, 2017

A mind boggling argument. Worth a discussion!

Tiago Fonseca

Shared January 23, 2017

Boa noite.

Ili Duka

Shared April 25, 2017

why we could be in a simulation

Cilliers Blignaut The

Shared May 12, 2017

Lees

An Sans

Shared June 24, 2017

:D !

Joseph Knapp

Shared June 30, 2017

Interesting. If we're in a simulation, I want an upgrade.

Stefan Glöggl

Shared May 12, 2018

Fascinating read!

Stefan Glöggl

Shared May 12, 2018

Fascinating Read!